What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
Someone please help !!
I've a patient, male competitive cyclist, presented 12 months ago with classic ITBFS symptoms, (R knee) treated succesfully with SSTM, assisted stretching to ITB/TFL and Glutes, u/s and laser, regular strectching protocol advised ... end of problem.
BUT Jan this year, pt went skiing, day after return went for a 100+ mile bike ride (pushing it !), came to me day later c/o similar symptoms to initial ITB problem.
full assessment revealed tight ++ (R) TFL/Gluts/ITB, Hams and Quads.
no ligament/
meniscus damage, no instability,locking, etc.
this time however, his right plantar arch has dropped with medial tibial rotn resulting.
treatment so far has been RICE, and a combination of SSTM, stretching, u/s, laser and recommendation to use orthotics to correct the biomechanical insufficiency.
But it's not responding :( and I'm running out of ideas, beginning to wonder about my effectiveness and getting very frustrated (as is my pt)
please can anyone offer any advice, am I overlooking something here ?
What am I missing? (recurring ITBFS)
As the last 2 replies stated, the last cyclist I saw with problems like this responded very well to checking/altering his cleats/foot position to reduce tibial rotation internally, and had poor Gluteal control of femoral rotation which did improve with kinetic control exercises.
What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
my 2 cents
cycling is alot of hip flexion, his ITB/TFL might be over dominatant and flexing his hip and causing knee pain have you checked his inner range psoas ( seated ant tilt and passive hip flexion then get patient to actively hold while you resist to nuetral) if psoas is weak then he might be getting a hip impingement problem. You also might have to corect his movement pattern if its faulty, you can strengthen all you want but if he isn't using the correct pattern then impaiment can set in.
I would recommend having a read of Shirley Sahrmanns' book on hip impingement. please tell us how your patient gets on
cheers
Re: What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
Happy to hear your pt getting better. Usually, if the problem is muscle weakness, it will take coupld weeks to get them better. And there is a new article reported that more than 60% ITBFS pt have lateral knee pain because the bursa underneath the band inflammed, while not the band itself ( a small study though).
Re: What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
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zisuer
Happy to hear your pt getting better. Usually, if the problem is muscle weakness, it will take coupld weeks to get them better. And there is a new article reported that more than 60% ITBFS pt have lateral knee pain because the bursa underneath the band inflammed, while not the band itself ( a small study though).
Interesting. Can you post a link for the study please? Some recent stuff I'd read was saying the opposite, and questioning whether a bursa was in fact even present under the band. All the anatomy stuff I've looked at shows a juicy fat bursa but it's good to read challenges to the norm :D
Re: What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
Yes, it is controversal whether the bursa exists, 90 % stduies reported negative results. But this study reported positive results, it is small study though, but it is new. Here is the paper: Hariri S, Savidge E, Reinold MM, Zachazewski J, Gill TJ. Treatment of recalcitrant iliotibial band friction syndeome with open iliotibial band bursectomy. Am J Sport Med 2009
Re: What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
Restore full non protected mobility to L4
facet joints and by doing you will quickly find reductions and ultimately elimination of this referred pain issue( often erroneously referred to as ITBFS). Best method is known as Continuous Mobilisation, this may take up to fifteen minutes at each L4 facet joint. In some case it may also be necessary to stretch and/or massage piriformis, which commonly assumes a higher state of tone with irritations at the L4 nerve root. Mobs at L4 however will restore a normal state of tone to this muscle , whose anatomical position close to the exit foramen for a large nerve bundle makes it a common corrollory to referred pains to the lateral thigh with L4 hypomobility.
Stop treating the thigh/leg and concentrate your efforts on the nerve irritations causing this problem. Ideas mentioned above in relation to altering seat position, and other biodynamic parameters may be useful in the context of reducing spinal protective behaviour, thus adding to a percieved benefit at the site of referred pain in the thigh/leg.
It is good to remember that all pain happens in the brain, also that all pain can be said to be neural in origin and effect. The only valid questions then are about where and how are nerves involved.
Re: What am I missing ? (recurring ITBFS)
glut med/min weakness can load up TFL and ITB like crazy, these guys typically present with a trendelenberg gait, int rotation of tibia, collapsed arches and valgus hallux. Try some strengthening to glut med/min as well as massage and stretching to TFL. If you dont strengthen the problem will just keep coming back.