Re: Very Puzzling C7 Problem
Hi there and thanks for your informative posting.
Sounds to me like the neck has been cleared so I would forget that in terms of a treatment approach for now as it's been done and you haven't progressed.
Sounds to me a lot more like a traction type issue, perhaps with some small subluxation in the shoulder joint as well during the action of pitching. This is very very common in people who throw balls at high speed e.g. baseball, cricket, javelin. It is also likely thew the 'injury' has a slow insidious onset meaning no one event caused it but rather that it was an accumulation of repetitive insults to the tissue in that area.
A key part in the identification of the issue and the rehabilitation would be to video analyze your pitching mechanics. Not just fresh but also towards the end of a long/typical stint on the mound. If the whole body is not connection from your stance leg through the hip/pelvis/lumbar spine/thoracic rotation etc etc then the arm will overwork/over-extend on the wind up. If all is not in order and if your external
rotator cuff is not strong in eccentric loading then the slowing down to release of the ball will cause all sort of compensation in the glenohumeral (shoulder) joint. This can cause a traction type injury to the brachial plexus (nerves running down the arm.
Sorry if this sounds a bit complex but actually it is, especially for a baseball pitcher. You need to see a physio who works with pitchers. Perhaps look to a clinic that supports one of the big local teams and get them to check you out.
For reference: Craig Allingham is an excellent Aussie Physio who specializes in this type of rehabilitation although he is not based in the USA.
Best of luck
Re: Very Puzzling C7 Problem
physiobob,
thanks so much for the response. although you said it sounds complex, it does make sense. I've thought it could potentially be a brachial plexius problem too. My only questions would be 1) i havent thrown a baseball in 3 months, so wouldn't rest from that cause some relief? 2) what type of rehab would be involved in correcting this problem? 3) what test (
MRI, etc..) would help to confirm that the brachial plexus and not the neck is the issue? thanks again.
Re: Very Puzzling C7 Problem
HI
taking into consideration is no cervical/neck problem, i can agree with physiobob.
But i have seen very similar problems caused by disfunctions of scapula/shoulder girdle, especially trigger points in muscles inc infraspinatus, supraspinatus, middle and lower trapesius, rhomboideus, subscapularis muscles.
please, learn about trigger point next about muscles, then ask someone to assess it.
Obviously their existance are part of a complex - neck, scapula, back, posture, reaction on a mental/social stress.Very often locomotor malfunctions are visible in scans
all the best
Re: Very Puzzling C7 Problem
Might also consider entrapment bwtween the ribs and collar bone as the arm comes back as in thoracic outlet syndrome.
A specific
MRI to investigate the above would assist. Rest in this instance would not alleviate the problem just the symptoms when not performing that action.
As mentioned before you need a video analysis and physical assessment to see what's going on and therefore where to start :)
Re: Very Puzzling C7 Problem
thanks again for the replies.
i had an MRA done to test for thoracic outlet, that came back negative. but is that for pinching off blood flow or nerve entrapment?? my rhomboids have been really flared up the past two days. I feel like a dog chasing my tail since there are so many different things that pop up. i am heading back to the dr tomorrow to redo the EMG and have another pair of eyes check me out.
i've researched trigger points and have active release and accupuncture done on my shoulder, scap, trap. i just can't imagine having this much difficulty in my shoulder/back/arm/tricep based on some instability somewhere.
neurogenic thoracic outlet
well upon further review it looks like i can completely rule out the
radiculopathy. seems that it's more likely to be a problem with entrapment in my thoracic outlet. I've been stretching my scalenes and pecs and have felt a lot better the last 4 days. the tightness in my shoulder/rhomboids is pretty much gone. i still have some tightness in my tricep.
how can i go about completely wiping the problem out?? what kind of time table am i looking at? i've been stretching mostly using muscle energy. any other tricks that might help?