Physiotherapy Status In India

Physiotherapy In India Is Really Pathetiqueeee... Nearly 90% Of The Physios Who Pass Out Are Involving Themselves In Bpo Jobs Which Gives More Money.

Truth Is That One Can Never Ever Imagine To Eke Out A Decent Living Out Of Physiotherapy Profession In India. This Is Basically Because Of Low Salaries, No Standardisation Of Salaries All Over The Country, No National Government Recognised Council.

Australia And America Are Leading The Growth Of This Profession By Introducing 'doctor Of Physical Therapy Program' Which Is Equivalent To Undergraduate Medical Course. As Usual India Is Lagging Behind In This Aspect Also.


I Would Like To Get Feedback From My Indian And International Collegues...

I think the junior physios who pass out are themselves to blame for this. This is a country of vast potential where private practice is concerned. The saturation in private practice is not as bad as in the other medical fields. There is a lot of potential. But the youngsters are not prepared to work towards this. Learning the ropes of private practice, having good clinical hands, need patience. Nowhere in this world can you get such proffessional satisfaction as in this country, if you have the patience to work towards it. Most of them lack the neccessary direction, and expect success soon after they pass out. The other medical collegues go all out to scan fields where suitable private practice can be set up, do a lot of PR. The young physios are neither good at PR, nor are they willing to go beyond the street they live in to set up a practice, nor are they willing to accept that every thing in the book does not translate to the realty in clinical practice. One must look within ourselves before blaming the system. What have you yourself done to change?

Hi,

Out of interest, how much would it cost to see a private physiotherapist?

I am from Australia and i have a patient from Mumbai who has ased me to come over and run periodic clinics, which would be nice because would love to see India etc but I also want to earn at least what i do here.

I would charge about AUD$80-100/half an hour or AUD$160-200/hour. XE.com tells me this is between ~2800INR to 3500INR or USD$120 - 160/hour. Would there be a market for this?

Obviously you would have to take my word that i am good enough to charge this amount of money!! My patient seems to think that it is possible due to the large numbers of millionaires in india (83000 according to some sources).

Is this all possible? If it is, then it makes helping underpriviledged people in India possible as well (I would have to cover my costs of travelling, accomodation, food and loss of income from my regular practice/job to do a trip like that).

please let me know

Thanks

junior physios who pass out are themselves to blame for this--GOOD QUOTE

HOW GOOD IS THE PHYSIO EDUCATION IN INDIA?THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZED COUNCIL TO TAKE CARE OF THE QUALITY. THEN HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE FRESHERS TO DO PR AND DO SUCCESFUL PRIVATE PRACTICE?

I HAVE RESORTED TO 'EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICE' TO IMPROVE MY QUALITY.

Hi agustine.....
I am a physio trained in india ...currently i am in uk working as a sen 1 physio....there is no doubt that the academic curriculum in india is equal or even better than what they have around the world....There is lot of hardwork involved in the training and the foremost of all is the attitude .....no council can provide that.....so in short..its you who make yourself......stop blaming the system......and be focussed ....:o.its great to see u following an eba.....hope others take that as an eg

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I HAVE RESORTED TO 'EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICE' TO IMPROVE MY QUALITY.

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Nice idea in theory but a bit scarey in practise. Can you not find a mentor out there with many years clinical experience? Perhaps form your own local interest group?

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Originally Posted by rjohnpaul

Hi agustine.....
I am a physio trained in india ...currently i am in uk working as a sen 1 physio....there is no doubt that the academic curriculum in india is equal or even better than what they have around the world.

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As this is a very general comment can you be more specific. We know there are many, many private schools and from what we have learned from the many comments from Indian physio's we also know that the quality of training varies tremendously. Perhaps you can suggest some good schools you know of.

Hi, alophysio this reply is to you. As regards whether there could be a market
for periodic clinics in India, your patient who has asked u over to india ,will have to tell you how many patients he can arrange for you. Only 1% of my work is referred & the rest is direct work. My work speaks for me & each patient refers patients. Very often a spine patient is not even seen by a orthopaedician. If the patient is beyond the limit of a physio I refer them for surgery / physician. In short one must have a patient base with our work. Where charges are concerned, after reading your charges I am of the opinion that I am financially as comfortable as you are in Australia. You have to take my word that I am good in my work & my charges are on the same line. And well, with 83000 millionairs one cant call a nation underpriviledged!!
If you come down here, do let me know. Iam from Mumbai. Best of luck.

hi dude...
all the curriculum is based on the basic line...ie ur anatomy,physiology,and clinical subjects etc....what u need is the ability to think logically and apply it clinically...of course a lot depends on the kind of exposure you get in the early days...but i reckon....its the application....well i trained in mangalore...a city in karnataka..india. Mlore has 12 physiotherapy colleges and we are all affiliated to Rajiv Gandhi University of Health science, Bangalore:)

Hi Asha,

Thanks for your post.

I am sure you are as financially well off as i am. The reason why i asked the question is because whenever i speak to someone from india about how much i would have to charge, they tell me that it is way too much.

Does your statement mean that you are charging similar to what i am or does it mean that relative to the cost of living, the remuneration is similar? The reason i ask this is because I would have to cover my income lost in my currency. If i was living in India, then it would be relative.

The other thing is that i will be running education courses in the next few years or so. I have seen 2 day weekend courses for INR3500 which is about 150 dollars - this is nearly 4 times cheaper than what they are here!! That is, i would run a course for ~INR 14,000. Is this achievable? What is the average indian physio wage?

Thank you so much for your insight and information on your country and cultur. I would very much like to come to Mumbai to either see patients and/or deliver courses and show my family a little bit of a very different world!

This Is To Challenge Anyone Who Thinks Dat Physio Curriculum In India Is On Par With Anyother Curriculum In The World...can You Compare Indian Standard With American 'doctor Of Physical Therapy Course'? In What Do They Differ - In Quality Or In Terms Of Autonomy In Practice? I Would Say That It Is In Both Terms, They Differ.. My Intention Is Not To Put Down Indian Standard But To Make Others To Realise Where We Lack And Where We Lag Behind. Please Dont Have The Attitude To Deny The Inadequecies.
In India, Only When We Have The Separate Council We Will Have The Legal Possibilities Of Improving The Standards Of The Profession.

Pathetic situation is not due to one person or system its combination of all.
Most therapist go out of profession to earn quick money in BPOs, Coding. There
one can earn easily 10,000 INR but as a therapist we have to fight for it. Not only we get low pay even for duty doctors (not specialty doctors) they also get low salary. Remember Indian physiotherapy is at infancy.
It is grown only for last 10 years or so before that physio treatment means traction, wax, few exercises but now Evidence based practice is order of the day. An infant should be treated as an infant, not compared with grown ups. It should be nursed carefully.

LONG LIVE PHYSIOTHERAPY
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u r absolutely correct.

hey im a physiotherapist running my own physiotherapy, fitness & slimming centre in dehradun, india. i got call letter from south australia univ but left that bcoz i want to serve my country cant work for others. dont ever feel that working in india is bad. work to ur potential u wil get the results.

can anyone tell me wots the best option after BPT wot should i opt for while doing private practise. send me personal msg plz

Hi - I would recommend the best option, if you want to go into private practice, is a Masters in Manual Therapy at University of Western Australia. The reason is because you can do 3 of the subjects externally - that is at home in your own time. The assignments obviously have time limits on them.

Then you come to Australia for 12 weeks where you do the practical part of the course.

This course is very popular with a lot of people from the UK and Ireland coming over to do it. Lots of Singaporean and HK physios as well. I am from Sydney and a lot of us are coming over to do it because of the high quality of the course and relatively low amount of weeks away from work.

Website is www.cms.uwa.edu.au

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Does your statement mean that you are charging similar to what i am or does it mean that relative to the cost of living, the remuneration is similar? The reason i ask this is because I would have to cover my income lost in my currency. If i was living in India, then it would be relative.

The other thing is that i will be running education courses in the next few years or so. I have seen 2 day weekend courses for INR3500 which is about 150 dollars - this is nearly 4 times cheaper than what they are here!! That is, i would run a course for ~INR 14,000. Is this achievable? What is the average indian physio wage?

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Hi alophysio, this one's for you. Sorry its taken me almost a month to reply. Did'nt have much time, & when I was online, was at a different thread. There has to be some relativity. It would be there between you & a physio in private practice in UK. Although pounds have greater value in bullion market than aussie dollars, the cost of living there is higher. The basics is that a can of coke relatively costs the same anywhere in the world, be it india, australia or newzealand. Iam really not aware of what the exact wages of an employed Indian Physio are, but I have friends in the Government run hospitals & they are doing well although they do not take on private patients. Manyof them have done various courses with me. I have done weekend courses for INR 14,000. It all depends on who is the instructor & what's their international value. I've also done 3 day workshop for INR 7,500. I dont know of any course for INR 3,500. Even the weekend course with certified Mulligan instructor would cost around INR 6,000 I think. I make it a "must do" with all my junior physios. Michael shacklock had conducted a workshop last year. Many of us brought the original book written by him on Neurodyanamics. All those who have come to India & seen the place have liked it. If ever you come here I hope you like it too. There has been many who have come multiple times here. Well all the best to your new ventures.
regards asha.

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Originally Posted by augustine

This Is To Challenge Anyone Who Thinks Dat Physio Curriculum In India Is On Par With Anyother Curriculum In The World...can You Compare Indian Standard With American 'doctor Of Physical Therapy Course'? In What Do They Differ - In Quality Or In Terms Of Autonomy In Practice? I Would Say That It Is In Both Terms, They Differ.. My Intention Is Not To Put Down Indian Standard But To Make Others To Realise Where We Lack And Where We Lag Behind. Please Dont Have The Attitude To Deny The Inadequecies.
In India, Only When We Have The Separate Council We Will Have The Legal Possibilities Of Improving The Standards Of The Profession.

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Dear augustine, it would help you a great deal if you think before you speak. I really dont know from which institution you have passed your physical therapy degree, but let me tell you, the curriculum, the course duration, even the number of students to be admitted is laid down by IAP & is to be uniform through out India. If there are private colleges who jump it, In such a case it is the duty of the students to let the authorities know. I know one junior physio who was instrumental in closing down an institution. In the first place, a student who has done well in her/his CET would have got credits good enough to get admitted to a good college. Let me make it plain & simple for you. If a student desires to do masters in any American Univ & applies, he would get the admission depending on his credits. If one gets admission into a university at the lower end of the hierarchy, one cant blame the university after passing out. If you have good credits, you will be at the best school.
While reading through the threads, I have seen a lot of Indian physios cribbing. There is'nt substance in it.

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SAFEGUARD YOUR DIGNITY & SELF RESPECT AS A PHYSICAL THERAPIST:

ATTENTION MEMBERS, PHYSICAL THERAPISTS, STUDENT THERAPISTS AND FRIENDS:


PLEASE BE AWARE ABOUT THE RECENT BILL BEEN PROPOSED IN FORTHCOMING RAJYA SABHA'S WINTER SESSION OF PALIAMENTARY AFFAIRS:

The proposed bill allegedly states Physical Therapists to be dumped under only one category-simply a " Technician" once for all that apparently curbs our independent clinical practice under Medical Professionals where Physiatrist is not an exception.

On hearing this, Physical Therapists in Delhi organized an emergency meeting on 17th/August where they finally decided to file a suit.

It's high time by FPT to declare the fact that Physiatrists are the ultimate Medicaos suppressing Physical Therapy upliftment for an independent PT practice although we have an excellent support from the rest of the entire Global Medical fraternity, including but not limited to Neurologists/surgeons, Orthopedic surgeons, Rhematologists, Cardiologists/ Interventionists, Radiologists, Gynaecologists, Physicians, Gen surgeons, Paediatricians, Plastic Surgeons, Anesthetists, Pulmonologists and all specialists and superspecialists.

Moreover please take some time to understand the fact that Department of Health services, Govt of India is made up of of the following Members:

1. The Director General- Ony One person and that being a 'Physiatrist'.
2. Assistant Director General-approximately 6 in number comprising one Physiatrist, one Dentist, One Pharmacist etc but Zero Physiotherapist.

The Director General and the one Assistant Director General (The TWO Physiatrists) in Dept of Health services, Govt of India, without the concensus of other Assistant generals have made up the bill. This is an alleged news that FPT got from New Delhi. But we believe that this issue can be nailed before the Court of Law.

So, FPT requests Unity among us to fix this MULTIFACETED issue, as we are already facing issues by physiatrists in the State of Tamilnadu.

FPT is just awaiting to get the Protocols in Black and white to take it to the court of Law so that Justice will sing in our independent Physical Therapy practice everywhere.

We all should show the solidarity to protest against this to any extreme and We must highlight the Independent PT council headed by a Chairman who must be a Physiotherapist rather than a Physiatrist.

Tomorrow, FPT will take to the kind knowledge of our Health Minister Dr. Anbumani Ramadoss and The PMK leader, Dr. Ramadoss to intervene the issue.

The Spokesperson of FPT also addresed the Media and is expected in tomorrow's News Papers too.

All we stand together against the issue to safeguard and restore the rejoice of our freedom of Independent Professional practice and also to highlight the genesis of a Central council under a Physiotherapist headed PT Council.

We will appreciate your support!
Thanks!

Hi guys,
Please dont jump into conclusions. I have been receiving various calls regarding this issue, I think there is some misunderstanding. The bill in Rajyasabha does propose a paramedical and physiotherapy council, and it gives physiotherapy the rights to have a separate council.
Please check the proposed bill in
www.rajyasabha.nic.in
Hope this will clear these rumours:rolleyes:

Physiotherapy is a noble profession. In today's era of alternate medicine it is the most safe & best treatment for various physical ailment. The treatment does not have any side effet.

It should work as an independent council & all the physiotherapist should be allowed independent practise.


Thanks
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Hmmm...

situation is worst in Malaysia!

I have attached the proposed bill

I am an Indian Physiotherapist working abroad for the past 25 years. I would like to know currently what is the status of Physiotherapy profession in India.

Hi

Well to some part all of you are correct but well i am running my own practice in kolkata fro the last one year and you know wht i feel there is huge potential i mean the problem is with the recognition so why don we all go out there and try fetching it i mean...

initial days of practice i used to get 40% patients who were referred and they din know shit abut physical therapy i just took time to explain at times i used to even put water drops on the Us head to show them how it works show them MtrP charts to show how Mtrp helps ;) but after 8 months guess what my patients teach my new patients i sometimes feel so proud they way my patients tell the new ones how its important and how physical therapy helps so all in a nut shell keep working and you do get rewards

It takes 5 years for peeps to know you exsist so give it that time and see and nothing comes easy...

to end with i was in a conference with the Governor and he said " PHYSIOTHERAPY IS A PROFESSION WHICH INVOLVES PROFESSIONALS WHO JUST DON PRESCRIBE AND LEAVE BUT CREATE AND PATERNIZE A BETTER LIFE STYLE BY CREATING A BOND WITH THE PATIENT ITS NOT LIKE OTHER PROFESSIONS WHERE THE DOC STAYS INERT "

I personally believes in physio therapy and I know some very good doctors in India that treats you in such a manner that you need not to worry about your problems and this therapy is one of the best therapy that actually have very good outcomes and people are getting treated well.

Thanks
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hi
every one
i was reading all previous thread and replys by asha,and some aus
its true that we all should resect our nation but at the same time its true that in india the status of physio compare to other country is very bad.
i am a physio passed out in 2003 from RGUHS.but see what we have to do i have to prove my self again again and still after working this much time we have to be the victim of surgeon,s EGO.they might be knowing about their work but we know our proffession and we need not to learn physiotheray from a neuro or ortho surgeon.but this happens in india might be not in metro and west and south india but just look towrods north india what the shit going on here,
soory to use this type of words but its true that we have to strugle in india
thanks

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Originally Posted by alophysio

Hi,

Out of interest, how much would it cost to see a private physiotherapist?

I am from Australia and i have a patient from Mumbai who has ased me to come over and run periodic clinics, which would be nice because would love to see India etc but I also want to earn at least what i do here.

I would charge about AUD$80-100/half an hour or AUD$160-200/hour. XE.com tells me this is between ~2800INR to 3500INR or USD$120 - 160/hour. Would there be a market for this?

Obviously you would have to take my word that i am good enough to charge this amount of money!! My patient seems to think that it is possible due to the large numbers of millionaires in india (83000 according to some sources).

Is this all possible? If it is, then it makes helping underpriviledged people in India possible as well (I would have to cover my costs of travelling, accomodation, food and loss of income from my regular practice/job to do a trip like that).

please let me know

Thanks

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Hi Alophysio,

Your patient in mumbai should be a multi-millionaire to provide you with the offer..
Eventhough, India has large number of millionaires,, you wont be able to earn 2800-3500 INR/half an hour or 1 hour.. Physiotherapy is one of the poorly paid professions out here,, even after 3 years from the date of your post.. Even in private practice, the pay is not as lucrative as you might expect.. Therapists here are trying their hands at different things apart from physiotherapy, to keep their living going... Yes INDIA is a good place to visit,, but thinking of making a living from the profession same like how you have it in Australia, is impossible( even in a metro city like mumbai) I hope that the situation improves , which disappointingly, looks many years ahead......

Thanks for your reply.

It is a shame...If i can fund a trip there, i can help a lot of people...

I would still like to visit.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by rajlaxmanphysio

hi
every one
i was reading all previous thread and replys by asha,and some aus
its true that we all should resect our nation but at the same time its true that in india the status of physio compare to other country is very bad.
i am a physio passed out in 2003 from RGUHS.but see what we have to do i have to prove my self again again and still after working this much time we have to be the victim of surgeon,s EGO.they might be knowing about their work but we know our proffession and we need not to learn physiotheray from a neuro or ortho surgeon.but this happens in india might be not in metro and west and south india but just look towrods north india what the shit going on here,
soory to use this type of words but its true that we have to strugle in india
thanks

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I personally believes in physio therapy and I know some very good doctors in India that treats you in such a manner that you need not to worry about your problems and this therapy is one of the best therapy that actually have very good outcomes and people are getting treated well.

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Originally Posted by eve_cool

Hi Alophysio,

Your patient in mumbai should be a multi-millionaire to provide you with the offer..
Eventhough, India has large number of millionaires,, you wont be able to earn 2800-3500 INR/half an hour or 1 hour.. Physiotherapy is one of the poorly paid professions out here,, even after 3 years from the date of your post.. Even in private practice, the pay is not as lucrative as you might expect.. Therapists here are trying their hands at different things apart from physiotherapy, to keep their living going... Yes INDIA is a good place to visit,, but thinking of making a living from the profession same like how you have it in Australia, is impossible( even in a metro city like mumbai) I hope that the situation improves , which disappointingly, looks many years ahead......

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i was reading all previous thread and replys by asha,and some aus
its true that we all should resect our nation but at the same time its true that in india the status of physio compare to other country is very bad.
i am a physio passed out in 2003 from RGUHS.but see what we have to do i have to prove my self again again and still after working this much time we have to be the victim of surgeon,s EGO.they might be knowing about their work but we know our proffession and we need not to learn physiotheray from a neuro or ortho surgeon.but this happens in india might be not in metro and west and south india but just look towrods north india what the shit going on here,
soory to use this type of words but its true that we have to strugle in india
thanks

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Originally Posted by alophysio

Hi Asha,

Thanks for your post.

I am sure you are as financially well off as i am. The reason why i asked the question is because whenever i speak to someone from india about how much i would have to charge, they tell me that it is way too much.

Does your statement mean that you are charging similar to what i am or does it mean that relative to the cost of living, the remuneration is similar? The reason i ask this is because I would have to cover my income lost in my currency. If i was living in India, then it would be relative.

The other thing is that i will be running education courses in the next few years or so. I have seen 2 day weekend courses for INR3500 which is about 150 dollars - this is nearly 4 times cheaper than what they are here!! That is, i would run a course for ~INR 14,000. Is this achievable? What is the average indian physio wage?

Thank you so much for your insight and information on your country and cultur. I would very much like to come to Mumbai to either see patients and/or deliver courses and show my family a little bit of a very different world!

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all the curriculum is based on the basic line...ie ur anatomy,physiology,and clinical subjects etc....what u need is the ability to think logically and apply it clinically...of course a lot depends on the kind of exposure you get in the early days...but i reckon....its the application....well i trained in mangalore...a city in karnataka..india. Mlore has 12 physiotherapy colleges and we are all affiliated to Rajiv Gandhi University of Health science, Bangalore


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yes i agree. Physiotherapy Status In India is really miserable.
We didn't even left a single subject to study during our graduation.but still other medical professionals consider us in para medical staff.Moreover no respect as a doctor,no money, no satisfaction. doctors write down the treatment options we can give to the patient. what is this we know our duty better than them,actually they are afraid of us.we have much more treatment options than them. Government is really concerned over brain drain...but we cant help it .

I am a PT in the USA with family ties to India. This is a fascinating topic, and I look forward to worldwide collaboration in the field.

In the US, we also have struggles related to policy and cultural authority ... many are not really comparable to Indian struggles, and some are. In any country, the list of influences evade measure, and may include: politics, paucity of resources, academic corruption, economic competition from other fields, marketing tactics, lack of education standards and oversight, financial interests, etc.

In the end, "what really works for the patient" is what eventually earns respect. This is the foundation. So much boils down to measurable effectiveness! Your clinicians that are able to critically appraise evidence, able to honestly inform a patient when therapy is not necessary, able to communicate effectively with other disciplines ... these are the professionals whose fields will survive time and inevitable scrutiny in the long term, whether or not we are called "doctors", no matter the country.

India is the historic origin of ancient systems of physical medicine, and is a founding member of the World Confederation of PT. There is no excuse for India not to be the innovative world leader in therapeutic exercise and manual treatment.

If what we do really works, the world will seek us out. Promotion, politics, lack of money ... this stuff takes a back seat to the individual professional synthesis of patient values and diagnostic hypotheses to select effective treatment strategies with the ultimate goal of restoring functional ability.

I have been much enriched by my Indian-trained colleagues, and I wish you the best of luck! Keep up the struggle, but let us all keep a critical focus on the essence of what we do. Thank you all! :)

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