Meziere (Mézières) Technique.

[physiok]

Cher Bernard,
Si vous avez la curiosite de chercher sur le web quelles universites proposent le DU de reconstruction posturale (Lyon entre autres), vous pourrez leur demander la liste des memoires de recherche soutenus a ce jour et obtenir copie de ceux qui vous interessent.
D'autre part, en utilisant les mots cles Postural Reconstruction et reconstruction posturale, vous aurez acces aux resumes des theses ecrites sur le sujet au Canada et en Belgique (si j'y suis arrivee, vous le pouvez certainement).
Si c'est au-dessus de vos forces, je vous enverrais les links en rentrant de vacances.
Accessoirement, j'ai fait un deug b, je ne gobe pas n'importe quoi en biomechanique, et les chaines musculaires tiennent vraiment la route.
Bonne recherche.

[somasimple]

Physiok,

I think (even if I'm french) that speaking English is more pleasurable on an English forum.

BTW, I made also a "Deug B" and I do not see any kind of relation with the subject. The human biomechanics aren't taught in a Deug B cursus.

You're just telling us that an old 60 method is valuable, why not? I just want to know why such an old method is unable to bring a peer reviewed paper on the scene.

Sorry but thesis are not really proves that a method works.

I'll wait for the links! I'm very patient.

[physiok]

www.capitalhealth.ca
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov key words muscles chains rehabilitation:
Am J Phys Med Rehabil. 2006 Jul;85(7):559-67. Links
One-year follow-up of two exercise interventions for the management of patients with ankylosing spondylitis: a randomized controlled trial.Fernandez-de-Las-Penas C, Alonso-Blanco C, Alguacil-Diego IM, Miangolarra-Page JC.
Am J Phys Med Rehabil. 2005 Jun;84(6):407-19. Links
Two exercise interventions for the management of patients with ankylosing spondylitis: a randomized controlled trial.Fernandez-de-Las-Penas C, Alonso-Blanco C, Morales-Cabezas M, Miangolarra-Page JC.
Research and Teach Unit of Physical Therapy, Occupational Therapy, Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, Madrid, Spain.
Abstracts in english.

One or two other related studies with postural reconstruction as key words.

Just for a beginning Bernard
I wrote in french previously because the research I was speaking about was in french and had no interest for english speaking persons.
For the same reason I won't give the German links.

PS If you see no common point between mathematics, physics, muscles physiology and biomechanics, I'm wondering Bernard: what exactly are you talking about when you write biomechanic?

[somasimple]

If you see no common point between mathematics, physics, muscles physiology and biomechanics, I'm wondering Bernard: what exactly are you talking about when you write biomechanic?

Sorry guy but I do not see any relation with pain!

[somasimple]

And I do not see any relation with the cited condition and common LBP.
Sorry again.

[physioaz]

As a Portuguese physio I new about Mézieres many years ago.
In fact Mézieres, RPG (Souchard) and Chaines Musculaires (Busquet) are not the same but all come from Mézieres. The most used are RPG (Souchard) and CM (Busquet) and both are Ostheopats who work togheter from many years.
That's one reason why do not exists so many studies as other areas of medicine. Never the less, those méthodes and téchnics are not "quackeries", they work when you now how, when and with who. Like surgeons used to say "we prove our skills with the good cases". So, even you do not no why it works, you can use it because it works. And remember, in physiotherapy (and medicine, even in pharmacology - remember Vioxx and other stories) almost of we done everyday are not proven...

Best regards

[somasimple]

Sorry guy, I think that I'm defintely an open mind! But I'm asking to myself some questions: I have a "great" technique that works with all back problems. Why am I unable, despite the fact that 50% of the population is suffering, to take a bit of my time, achieving a peer reviewed study that just confirms my belief? Why I do not want that this suffering population just endds with its pain? With this study, the medical community will be able to give the miraculous care I have! Why, after 70 years, this miraculous method is not yet taught at Uni? Mezières, Souchard and Co... aren't responding to such questions? Why?

[physioaz]

Dear somasimple, off course you are an open mind or you never loss your time with such discussion. First of all I don´t use any one of this méthodes (maybe something of Busquet...), second I don´t believe in wonderful méthodes who solves everything or every cases. What I mean is that kind of therapies (manual therapy in general) comes or from medical doctors or from the so called "Alternative Medicines" (ostheopat.,chirop, etc...) and in this second group is not normal to use the cientific méthode, controlled studies, etc. So for many years a lot of "thécniques" are developed only in clinical basis. That not means it does not work, only never been study as they should because many of the praticioners simply used because it works...
About the knowlegde for all community, normaly the authors of the thécniques (father of the child) made books, manuals and courses. (A good business I must say, but its the same with all authors).
Publishing to prove anything so became important in last 20 years with the Evidence-Based theory, in the 50 before publishing are only good for authors and his curriculum, and remember that "alternative people" are good because solve problems not because write scientific articles, his curriculum are made in clinical field.
Sorry about so long post, but I like you understand that I want too, good studies in all fields of our practice that proven everything we do, but it does mean that things that are not proven yet are not good. besides don´t exist any study that prove they are a waste of time

Best regards

[somasimple]

Physioaz,

It is very easy to "porduce" a peer review paper.
Unfortunately a "good" theory behind Mezieres and Co is yet missing and the explanations do not fit with actual concepts of PT.

Writing a book is not a guaranty of efficiency neither a prove of scientific rationale.

[physioaz]

Somasimple,

In fact writting a book don´t prove anything, but all authors do it even those we think they got "good theories" (Cyriax, Maitland, etc..) and sometimes before they can prove their theories with scientific papers. As you know in manual therapy still very difficult prove things and are not only PT's working the area. Good or bad theories should be proven in both ways. (We can´t say something is bad because nothing proves it's good). If anyone says that a pencil in a ear cures cancer, I probably w'll be very ceptic, but we never knows... And remember, evidence-based practice is not science, is only the final product. Much of we call science born by mistake...

Best regards

[somasimple]

I'll will not not the pencil and we are waiting for evidences since 1950.

[physioaz]

Ok! I just understand your point, but it's quite amazing that something with no evidence can remains by 70 years among maybe hundreds of PT's...