Hi Barret

I read that you are relating the situation to ideomotor (movement) that is "involuntary".

Movement without volition (ideomotor) follows and the mechanical deformation is reduced
I am not sure how the police hold fits in. Surely pain is conscious and then withdrawal from pain is conscious. There is some talk around suggesting that reflexes in fact are still under higher center control? But is that stimulus from deformation of a sensory organ and not pain itself.

It the response more about reducing the pain via the mechanical deformation to the sensory organ? Or is it simply the mechanical deformation. In a limb with sensory loss mechanical deformation may not induce the ideomotor activity as no pain is elicited yet the deformation still occurs. It is then the essence of pain itself (sometimes a learned behavior) that is under higher center control? Are there then ways to learn to deal with this behavior and as a result can behavioral approaches to that affect result in new coping mechanisms?

I think Lorima Moseley, an old colleague of mine at the Sydney University wrote something titled. "'What they don't know won't hurt them.' but then states in his concluding note - "The evidence to the contrary is mounting. It probably will!"

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