Sports Rehabilitators

[mcsportsrehab]

This is a reply to PHYSIOBOB, can I just ask you something?

Why do you take such offence at this conversation? We are discussing the beauty of varying approaches to the muscoloskeletal paradigm

You keep talking about physiotherapy but this isn;t the discussion, we are talking about the role of GSR's (Graduate Sport Rehabilitators) within private clinical practice and elite sports fields managing musculoskeletal conditions.

Of course there can be no comparison as our students do not study cardiopulmonary or neurological etc and are not geared towards working in that area

Physio students do not cover pitch side trauma yet as new graduates they cover sports matches....is this appropriate?

You use the example that you ahd to go brush up on previoius neuro pathology but what a GSR would have done is referred onto the appropriate professional this is the basic premis behind any kind of clinical reasoning in that if your assessment indicates the pathology is somewhere outside of your remit RE musculoskeletal the refer on.

We could all talk about case studies where another prfessional has not met the needs of the patient but that would just be highly pedantic and unecessary

If of course you have read all the threads then you would be aware that undergrad SR's cover neurodynamics based on David Butler and Michael Shacklocks teachings covering myotomes, dermatomes, reflexes, tensio testing, structural differentiation etc, physio degree's in the UK do not cover this at undergrad

Physio students and I know this as I have one volunteering with me at a football team I work with, don't cover a great deal in musculoskeletal anatomy and injury case studies around the issue for instance only ACL and MCL tears for the knee!? the rest is elf directed study.

Very interesting approach to teaching

What we are talking about is the necessary role for individuals such as GSR's to work within both the national, private and sports sectors

The issue at the moment is of great interest in the UK in that there are "MULTIDISCIPLINARY" approaches to issues where people work in parralel but not together and also "INTERDISCIPLINARY" approaches whereby we work together in a single focused effort

This latter approach would allow for GSR's to work ALONGSIDE physiotherapists for the benefit of the patient....as after all this is why we do the work we do

I apreciate your input and if you read rachyroo's input then you may well apreciate that there are differences both comparable and not and we shouldnt be stood on our soap boxes demanding superiority, rather we should look at ways in which we can develop further as individuals and professionals for the benefit of our patients

[Holaktal]

I'd like if anyone can explain me the differences between sports rehabilitator and sports therapist.

[karen.hankey]

I'd like if anyone can explain me the differences between sports rehabilitator and sports therapist.

A sports rehabilitator is a degree only qualification. 3 years is spent learning anatomy, physiology, mechanism of injury, musculoskeletal assessment, functional rehabilitation, psychology, clinical reasoning, sports massage, nutrition, manual therapy, eletrotherapy, neurodynamics along with much more. We spend 4 months on placement withing different settings including private clinics, sports clubs, gyms and with an orthopaedic surgeon.

Sports therapy is not as clear cut, or thats the way I percieve it. For example, you can become a sports therapist with a weekend course, but you can also achieve a degree in it. Therefore when you book to see a Sports Therapist you don't tend to know how much training they have had. From what I have heard this is being looked at by the Sports Therapy profession to try and ensure a minimum level of training.

This is my opinion, not fact so please feel free to correct me if you are a sports therapist and disagree.

[Holaktal]

I'm thinking about doing an Msc. Im from Spain and I've studied physiotherapy and sports science. I'd like to do a Msc where I can learn more about treating a player from the moment he/she gets injuried until he comes back to train with his team or he is ready to compete.
Here we have two different professionals, physiotherapist and "sport readaptator" (I studied that in sports science degree), but I don't know exactly their translation to english.
That's why I'm asking about these differences.
Which would be better, an Msc Sports sience or an Msc sports rehabilitation?
And, moreover, do you know any university better than the rest?

thank you

[robsmith1234]

A sports rehabilitator is a degree only qualification. 3 years is spent learning anatomy, physiology, mechanism of injury, musculoskeletal assessment, functional rehabilitation, psychology, clinical reasoning, sports massage, nutrition, manual therapy, eletrotherapy, neurodynamics along with much more. We spend 4 months on placement withing different settings including private clinics, sports clubs, gyms and with an orthopaedic surgeon.

Sports therapy is not as clear cut, or thats the way I percieve it. For example, you can become a sports therapist with a weekend course, but you can also achieve a degree in it. Therefore when you book to see a Sports Therapist you don't tend to know how much training they have had. From what I have heard this is being looked at by the Sports Therapy profession to try and ensure a minimum level of training.

This is my opinion, not fact so please feel free to correct me if you are a sports therapist and disagree.

Ok coming from a sports therapy background im currently in my third year by the way id have to agree with some of what Karen.Hankey has got to say about the course but?
One thing that you can't do is become a "Sports Therapist" in a 12 week course, agreed yes you can take courses these being Sports massage, Advanced techniques and the what not and give yourself a self title of it and once again possibly lowering the standards of care. These courses I feel should be aimed at people already with the background knowledge as some physio's sports rehabilitators who didn't study them at their University this said its not anyone can do it and unfortunatly its the same with Rehabilitators some PT's go out after learning how to give out training programs at which point they also call them selves a "sports rehabilitator"?

Being on a sports therapy course I can tell you that we have done the same as the Sports rehabilitator worked with sports teams and in clinics but this was over 3 years as we needed to complete work experience through this whole time.
What also is of interest is that on that chosen sports rehabilitator degree most of the modules that you learnt are actually the same as a sports therapist? Sports massage, Advanced treatment techniques (STR, NMT that sort of stuff), Assessment of injuries, Nutrition, Anatomy & Physiology, electrotherapy, Rehab they are just to name a few.
I just feel that its abit strange when there is different names for courses but they are basically the same thing. Id would have to agree that physio's do know more than sports rehabilitators and other professions in cetain areas but the rest a all treading a fine line of being the same thing?
In my mind (sorry physio's if it offends you) at the minute most physio's are used in primary care once the person is walking they are released at whihc point its whoever out of the rest of the professions get there first to help the person return to their standard of sport or everyday activity.
Cheers anyway for this post brilliant stuff being written.

[Sbarlow_ST]

A sports rehabilitator is a degree only qualification. 3 years is spent learning anatomy, physiology, mechanism of injury, musculoskeletal assessment, functional rehabilitation, psychology, clinical reasoning, sports massage, nutrition, manual therapy, eletrotherapy, neurodynamics along with much more. We spend 4 months on placement withing different settings including private clinics, sports clubs, gyms and with an orthopaedic surgeon.

Sports therapy is not as clear cut, or thats the way I percieve it. For example, you can become a sports therapist with a weekend course, but you can also achieve a degree in it. Therefore when you book to see a Sports Therapist you don't tend to know how much training they have had. From what I have heard this is being looked at by the Sports Therapy profession to try and ensure a minimum level of training.

This is my opinion, not fact so please feel free to correct me if you are a sports therapist and disagree.

i know this was ages ago but as a sport therapist ill answer this for you.

yes any tom, d.., or harry can do a weekend course in say massage (the easiest part of my degree) and call theirselves a sport therapist, but like GSR's we also call ourselfs graduate sport therapists (GST's) to distinguish ourselves from the rouge people.

[physiobob]

This is a reply to PHYSIOBOB, can I just ask you something?

Why do you take such offence at this conversation? We are discussing the beauty of varying approaches to the muscoloskeletal paradigm

You keep talking about physiotherapy but this isn't the discussion, we are talking about the role of GSR's (Graduate Sport Rehabilitators) within private clinical practice and elite sports fields managing musculoskeletal conditions.

Actually the original posting was to ask what the comparison was with physiotherapists. My comment was that there is no comparison. I very much value sport's tech's/trainers/therapists/rehabiliotators input in the clinic and they are a welcome member to our sports teams. They should not be compared however to physiotherapists, and that was my point.

[Holaktal]

My idea is not compare these professionals. Everyone has their own competences and they should work toghether to get the best results in patients rehabilitation.
But we have to consider that sometimes competences are not clear and sometimes more than one professional can treat the patient. In these moments is when a good multidisciplinary team takes advantatge because they discuss and colaborate and, in the end, they decide who is the one that treats the patient (maybe without taking into account the theoretical roles of each professional).