Physiotherapy Status In India

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[kkpatil84]

Very true my friend its real difficult problem faced by all physio in India, i my self being a post graduate in manual therapy is slogging, we all should get together to make a change, fight for over rights, I feel even other members of medical profession are also hindering over growth by not valuing our contribution to health care,they are benefited from our practice but equally we are not benefited ex: 200-300 per pt over 1-3 weeks is more than wat they earn but we work under them we are not paid well and profit they bag ,

[dr.pavansinghal]

i am agree with u but now time come to develop the physiotherapy status in india by spreadng the awarneess to the people about our profession .if we concentrate on that i think we can get some benefit.

[gcoe]

Many many years ago when I did my training in New Zealand we graduated with a three year diploma, We had very little applied science in our course, tended to think in recipes of treatment, were banned from conducting research by the medical profession, and had to rely on referrals always from a Dr. We didn't really think for ourselves and had virtually no genuine post graduate degrees. We were a laughing stock compared to our Australian counterparts who had four year science degrees and active research programmes.

Our big problem was lack of funding, failure to be incorporated into our high quality universities and our subservience to the medical profession. However within 15 -20 years we turned our ship completely around and now offer high quality education at all levels, vigorous research programmes and enjoy primary practice status and altough we do still have some funding issues our profession is right up there with the top in the world. I am sure India has unique issues to deal with but it strikes me how similar your experience is now with ours when i was a fresh young graduate.

So if we can do it then I am sure India can and will progress - time, continued lobbying for funding, increasing the calibre of university programmes,and research programmes and refusing to be dominated by the medical profession. The people of India deserve a world class physiotherapy profession.

[sam89s]

Very truly said. The paychecks are a disgust to the hard work and the sincerity with which we treat our patients.

Though money is also a secondary factor,there is still no respect as such for our noble Profession in the eyes of Medical Professionals .We are still compared and treated as Lab Technician.

Its really not the work environment we deserve.

[yelufem]

For me,medical professionals are not the problem in the context india physio find themselves.Physicians would always want to surpress physio any where in the world because of persive threat u pose to them.They are not confortable with any other health professional that can assess, diagnose,treat and discharge just as they do.With this understanding,physios and physio regulatory body in my country, years back began to focus aggressively on what made physicians what they are;education,professionalism,advocacy,consistency and intellectual debate before govt agencies and ministries about who we are and what we do.We never allow anybody to tell us who we are because no other person is qualify to do this except physio.
In the beginning,there were uproar from Drs but physio body mount pressure using all the weapon mentioned above and infact within fifteen years many things changed.
Today,physio see pt on first contact,order X-ray,investigations,go on grand round with physician and surgeon,and always involve in patient dischage.etc.Physio salaries are very attractive across board.
So,your destine is in your hands.Your desire comes only if india physio body mark up the education,emback on strong advocacy,be consistent and never blame Drs for any challenges in your way to liberty.
Then you will discover that Drs empire is surmountable.yelufem.

[Egypt.pt]

we have this problem in Egypt too and still.it's a multi factorial problem not only people understand what you do and your career message also physician of course not all of them they really hate us but we got a nice move few days ago that the faculty agreed on DPT but still have a long way

by the way ,which system you prefer the intery or transitional one???????

[hannahildenbrand]

you wont believe it, but it is the same in Germany, too. It is a low paid, low respected job with no responsibilities. The training is poorly.

[hannahildenbrand]

and yeah I trained in NZ and worked there. The physiotherapy has an incredible high standard compared to Germany. I am back since a month now in germany and wondering why I came back.

[gcoe]

Ironically we have the old british empire to thank for the development of physiotherapy. It is primarily in the "developed" countries of the British Commonwealth that physiotherapy thrived and where standards and relatve autonomy were set. The USA would be one exception to this pattern and there may be others. It is always surprising that physio in continental europe is of such a lower status and standard but that is due to the british colonial history

[yelufem]

What a cheering news from Egypt on DPT.Your faculty just need to sustain the trend and you people shall see results in your life time.The online transition DPT is springing up here with america university while awaiting NUC approval for home take off of DPT.
Well, Gcoe,I think u are once again correct. See u soon.yelufem.

[hijump]

...and i was thinking its in pakistan only
there is something WRONG in Asia which has not allowed this field to groom and get developed as in Europe, USA and Australia.
Not heard much of inter Asia collaboration, seminars or exchange of ideas.
underpaid, taken advantage of and having a legal status like medical association.
DPT is there but what to do after that ?? no BIG change in salary of status....
SAD !

[gcoe]

This is not an easy battle and I wish you all the best in your attempts to improve ypur conditions

I knw in australia a combination of higher standard of degrees + funding of physio schools throgh both government and research grants + having the political ear of the federal and state governments probably did the trick. Not that it is perfect or that things can go against us at any time due to the latest political whim. It can be very difficult for allied health (not just physios) to get health ministers to listen to such a relatively small body. Doctors have the traditional power here and nurses have industrial might by their huge numbers. In the 80s and 90s here we had health ministers who listened to allied health voices and as we were seen to be doing a better job in areas such as reducing disability and getting people back to work we were taken notice of.

drs don't always enjoy a cosy relatuonship with the government, particularly these days, and if you have a health minister that listens and you can show how you can meet some of the health goals of the government then this can work sometimes. For example, a large portion of the medical profession is not pro public health yet prevention through public health is a key plank to containing health costs. Prevention whether it be primary or secondary after a disease or injury is something we do well and we something that can save governments money. Does your professional associations have a strong marketting strategy or can get the government to listen?

[Mr Physiotherapist]

...and i was thinking its in pakistan only
there is something WRONG in Asia which has not allowed this field to groom and get developed as in Europe, USA and Australia.
Not heard much of inter Asia collaboration, seminars or exchange of ideas.
underpaid, taken advantage of and having a legal status like medical association.
DPT is there but what to do after that ?? no BIG change in salary of status....
SAD !

Yes ur rt. but I think its got to do with not only awareness amongst patients/public but also Drs.
Coz many Drs. know how physios can affect their practice if they give us are credit.

[physikeerthi]

Don't remove your cloths in front of world. Work hard yourself to improve the standers of your profession.

[darshan]

to b e honest.. a physiotherapist in india is just considered as a technician.. moreover the people are more reluctant to pay for a pizza rather than to therapist... even lack of any governing body is a serious concern..where masters in government colleges are 3 years and the same is 2 years in private...

[physiotherapist_paul]

Many many years ago when I did my training in New Zealand we graduated with a three year diploma, We had very little applied science in our course, tended to think in recipes of treatment, were banned from conducting research by the medical profession, and had to rely on referrals always from a Dr. We didn't really think for ourselves and had virtually no genuine post graduate degrees. We were a laughing stock compared to our Australian counterparts who had four year science degrees and active research programmes.

Our big problem was lack of funding, failure to be incorporated into our high quality universities and our subservience to the medical profession. However within 15 -20 years we turned our ship completely around and now offer high quality education at all levels, vigorous research programmes and enjoy primary practice status and altough we do still have some funding issues our profession is right up there with the top in the world. I am sure India has unique issues to deal with but it strikes me how similar your experience is now with ours when i was a fresh young graduate.

So if we can do it then I am sure India can and will progress - time, continued lobbying for funding, increasing the calibre of university programmes,and research programmes and refusing to be dominated by the medical profession. The people of India deserve a world class physiotherapy profession.

Well, probably the picture you have of India is different from what it actually is. In NZ you had 3 years course here ours is 4years 6 months course. Ours masters is 2-3 years phd is also available as well as active research. In fact physios in India have the designation of doctor. The only problem is PAYMENT

[physiotherapist_paul]

Well I would like to narrate my point of view.
(according to hierarchy of problem)

1) I dont know in how many countries you get this designation But in India a physio is called a doctor. And has all the rights to work as an independent unit. Ok now since there is Dr tag Usually girls prefer getting in course because a girl with Dr tag has more advantage even over engineer girl during Marriage. (Indians follow arranged marriage) Hence she gets a very well settled groom usually an engineer or even physician surgeon. Now she does not need anything, does not even need to work because anyhow working for married Indian female is optional. Traditionally female has absolutely no responsibility in earning. Anyway she later joins job to pass time and does not mind any payment she gets. Does not bother to improve skills ( talking about majority, of course on other hand there are excellent skilled female physios too) , physician is happy to recruit someone who does work for low salary.

2) For ages the term physiotherapy had been used by massagers. Till today people have idea that physiotherapy is something to do with treating disease with massage. Specific massage for specific disease. Hence the respect is not there in general public.

3) Whenever someone intends to open a medical college he starts with a physio college first because there is nothing required, no council to control the quality . Teachers available at low wages , students flocking despite of high donations. Hence profit for trustee. In turn there are thousands of physios regularly passing out but no job. Later this same results in un healthy competition and settling for low wages.

4 Despite of all the above physios here lack the marketing skills. If homeopaths can sell white round placebo pills why can't we sell our skills where we make visible difference to patient.

5 Government has given all liberty and Dr designation, we are allowed to examine investigate treat and discharge without any reference from physician surgeon. What more is needed, its your responsibility to stop crying and start working. We need to revolt for council and central governing body for physios.

Jai Hind

[physiotherapist_paul]

i am agree with u but now time come to develop the physiotherapy status in india by spreadng the awarneess to the people about our profession .if we concentrate on that i think we can get some benefit.

Well I would like to narrate my point of view.
(according to hierarchy of problem)

1) I dont know in how many countries you get this designation But in India a physio is called a doctor. And has all the rights to work as an independent unit. Ok now since there is Dr tag Usually girls prefer getting in course because a girl with Dr tag has more advantage even over engineer girl during Marriage. (Indians follow arranged marriage) Hence she gets a very well settled groom usually an engineer or even physician surgeon. Now she does not need anything, does not even need to work because anyhow working for married Indian female is optional. Traditionally female has absolutely no responsibility in earning. Anyway she later joins job to pass time and does not mind any payment she gets. Does not bother to improve skills ( talking about majority, of course on other hand there are excellent skilled female physios too) , physician is happy to recruit someone who does work for low salary.

2) For ages the term physiotherapy had been used by massagers. Till today people have idea that physiotherapy is something to do with treating disease with massage. Specific massage for specific disease. Hence the respect is not there in general public.

3) Whenever someone intends to open a medical college he starts with a physio college first because there is nothing required, no council to control the quality . Teachers available at low wages , students flocking despite of high donations. Hence profit for trustee. In turn there are thousands of physios regularly passing out but no job. Later this same results in un healthy competition and settling for low wages.

4 Despite of all the above physios here lack the marketing skills. If homeopaths can sell white round placebo pills why can't we sell our skills where we make visible difference to patient.

5 Government has given all liberty and Dr designation, we are allowed to examine investigate treat and discharge without any reference from physician surgeon. What more is needed, its your responsibility to stop crying and start working. We need to revolt for council and central governing body for physios.

Jai Hind

[physiotherapist_paul]

Well I would like to narrate my point of view.
(according to hierarchy of problem)

1) I dont know in how many countries you get this designation But in India a physio is called a doctor. And has all the rights to work as an independent unit. Ok now since there is Dr tag Usually girls prefer getting in course because a girl with Dr tag has more advantage even over engineer girl during Marriage. (Indians follow arranged marriage) Hence she gets a very well settled groom usually an engineer or even physician surgeon. Now she does not need anything, does not even need to work because anyhow working for married Indian female is optional. Traditionally female has absolutely no responsibility in earning. Anyway she later joins job to pass time and does not mind any payment she gets. Does not bother to improve skills ( talking about majority, of course on other hand there are excellent skilled female physios too) , physician is happy to recruit someone who does work for low salary.

2) For ages the term physiotherapy had been used by massagers. Till today people have idea that physiotherapy is something to do with treating disease with massage. Specific massage for specific disease. Hence the respect is not there in general public.

3) Whenever someone intends to open a medical college he starts with a physio college first because there is nothing required, no council to control the quality . Teachers available at low wages , students flocking despite of high donations. Hence profit for trustee. In turn there are thousands of physios regularly passing out but no job. Later this same results in un healthy competition and settling for low wages.

4 Despite of all the above physios here lack the marketing skills. If homeopaths can sell white round placebo pills why can't we sell our skills where we make visible difference to patient.

5 Government has given all liberty and Dr designation, we are allowed to examine investigate treat and discharge without any reference from physician surgeon. What more is needed, its your responsibility to stop crying and start working. We need to revolt for council and central governing body for physios.

Jai Hind

[Anshul S]

Very well said by all. I too agree that in India there are no set standards for getting job and pay as there is no Governing body or state level associations and even lack of enough practicle knowledge. And in other countries there are fix parametres to get registertion, which I think becomes too tough and stressfull to get through it for everyone.

[Anshul S]

Very well said by all. I too agree that in India there are no set standards for getting job and pay as there is no Governing body or state level associations and even lack of enough practicle knowledge. And in other countries there are fix parametres to get registertion, which I think becomes too tough and stressfull to get through it for everyone.
Even I am checking all the possible ways to get registration with APC ..... a new bigening ......