New research: No such thing as "stuck" SI joint

[alophysio]

Neuromuscular,

What research has Ola Grimsby published? A search of Pubmed.com under "Grimsby O" produced nothing in the way of research on SIJ motion.

If you want to quote people who have proved that the SIJ moves, then do it properly - Sturesson for example who implanted metallic balls into people's pelvises...

With all due respect to Ola Grimsby, he is not the authority on SIJ motion...

You haven't addressed point 2 and 3...

2. The pelvis moves relative to the L5 and to each hip.
3 Your test assesses movement of both point 1 (SIJ) and point 2 (L/S and hips).

Again, the "stork test" in recent research is about FAILED LOAD TRANSFER - of which the causes are neuromyofascial and articular (fixation is a subset of articular causes).

See "Hungerford B" at PubMed Home - the articles are #2, #3 and #4 on the list as of today...

I have my evidence that my statements are accurate - that is, the stork test is for failed load transfer...AND they are published in the literature in the public domain...

...you state the stork test is for a fixated SIJ - where is your evidence?

You are attacking a test without basis by claiming the test claims a fixated pelvis when the published literature contradicts you.

I ask these questions of you because if you want to be taken seriously, then do serious work and at least read other people's research before you attack them...

Your test has flaws. I am DONATING my time to help you. If you are going to soak me for information, at least answer my questions!

You haven't addressed point 2 and 3...

2. The pelvis moves relative to the L5 and to each hip.
3 Your test assesses movement of both point 1 (SIJ) and point 2 (L/S and hips).

[neuromuscular]

Dear Alophysio:

First, Ola Grimsby may not have published the work, but was involved in it. Yes Struessen was the person to do most of the offical publication. Ola has produced several books.

Second, with all due respect, you have not addressed by proof why the standing SIJ test with hip ABD gives differring results to the beloved standing SIJ test with hip flexion or torso flexion.(stork test) You have quoted only those who are "pro" "stork test or advocates of the "stork" test.

My whole point is: why the difference? One says there is a problem ( stork test), the other says No problem (hip ABD test). Why?

Several texts state that the test is of SIJ "fixation" or a "stuck" SIJ including the text ORTHOPEADIC PHYSICAL ASSESSMENT by David Magee. Every medical practitioner that I have talked to has been taught that the test is for a "fixation" of the SIJ. Chiropractors are taught that the test is for a "stuck" SIJ.

If you want to sublimate this by saying LOAD TRANSFER By all means do so, but show why other tests differ from it. That is the point.

Yes the pelvic bones move relative to other structures.

I would like people to try the tests and then formulate why the difference and then address why the test results differ. Just stating research that has not addressed the test using hip ABD does not discredit the test or its results. The hip ABD test casts a great doubt on the "stork" test.

All research to the present has ignored hip ABD. Regardless if you do the comparison test of PSIS to sacrum with hip ABD or the APAS test, the results differ from the standard "stork" test. Why? Yes the planes are different, but it should corroberate the "stork" test and not differ.

That is the whole point of the discussion. No one has done the hip ABD test in research to the present. It has not been published, because no one has done a trial on it or has viewed the hip ABD as relevant. Why???

The status quo is accept the "stork" test, because we say so. We have "figured out" just what it is - a LOAD TRANSFER TEST, so it has to be so.

Best regards,

Neuromuscular.