Yes I have tried ice. It does not help at all. I used to ice my knees in the beginning stages of the pain and when I take the ice off it is to stiff and causes more pain than good. It also feels like some one lit the inside of my knee on fire every time I ice. How would I be able to check for fluid underneath the patella or soft bodies. What are soft bodies? Heat feels good and stretching are the only types of pain relief I use. Neither of which seem to be helping any. Thank you for the replies.