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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    A colleague of mine has just worked on a review of the literature in relation to Physio Mx of Wikipedia reference-linkadhesive capsulitis. The finding of which swayed neither way basically supervised neglect showed the same outcome 2 years on so all the aggressive mobs to the shoulder- theres no point! The evidence was in agreement with the scapular stability and pain relieving modalities however.


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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    Hi all,
    I have been reading some intresting things in relation to the treatment of Wikipedia reference-linkFrozen shoulder.I was just wondering if there is any evidence based study on effectiveness of using cervical facet mobilisation(C456) in frozen shoulder.

    Sana


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    I would agree with 'nasde', most 'Wikipedia reference-linkfrozen shoulders' are not 'true' frozen shoulders (one in ten of all the 'frozen shoulders' probably are true frozen shoulders from my clinical experience) and repeated mobs just aggravates the problem. I think you get them functional by a home exercise programme and review them if they show signs of distress or anxiety.

    Most of the true frozen shoulders I see seem to have a neck component and I suspect this is the origin of the problem, but by the time they have developed the shoulder limitation it is too late to influence the outcome and treating the neck does not change the movement.


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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    hi,

    Neck may be the reason for Wikipedia reference-linkfrozen shoulder..but I was wondering that how early in frozen shoulder, one should think of giving Wikipedia reference-linkfacet joint mobilisation..Are there any studies examining the link between frozen shoulder and neck..it seems intresting and very much possible explnation for frozen shoulder.
    But the relation to neck does not seem to support the self limiting / self healing behaviour of frozen shoulder(approx 2 years. If there is pathology at the facet joint..will we call it a referred problem?


    sorry too many qusetions..?

    Sana gupta


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    Wikipedia reference-linkFrozen shoulder is not self limiting from the research that I have seen. After 2 years the patient returns to some function but problems persist in some form. I can't remember the author but it was presented at a British Shoulder and Elbow Surgeons Conference a few years ago.

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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    hi,

    Thats what I have always experienced but i have come across various cases in my experience who responded well to mobilisation and improved in less than 3 months. I think there are instances when mobilisation works or its just chance?? I am not sure. At present I am seeing a lady with restricted shoulder movement only 4 weeks old..do u think Wikipedia reference-linkfacet joint mobilsation will work on her??

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    Hi Ginger

    Firstly i live in Melbourne and would be interested in finding out more about your courses/occupation (you mention student? are you a uni lecturer or just course lecturer).
    i read your post on rehab edge. the only thing that concerns me is the fact that i may be missing something-apart from the theory BEHIND using continuous passive mobilisations, how is the technique any different to the Maitland mobes?

    Look forward to hearing from you

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    Hi sheri, this is a piece I posted on rehabedge some years ago, it remains relevant. I am doing a series of four lectures in rooms provided by RMIT in the month of October, I will post the details here when they are known.

    Re your request for detail on the continuous method, I offer here a short examination of the method I call Continuous Mobilisation. Applied to spinal zygo apophyseal Wikipedia reference-linkfacet joints with care, this method provides the means to restore normal pain free function to hypomobile facets joints.

    As this is a brief consideration of the method and reliable results considerably influenced by application, I urge the reader to practice on live humans to bridge the skills gap should there be one.

    I will skip any further introduction and mention of physiological detail and examination protocols , these will be/have been dealt with elsewhere.

    METHOD.part one
    unilateral passive mobilisation of facet joints requires therapists hands to be a connection to the ongoing protective state implicit in the activity associated with spinal joint pain. As such it is necessary to be sensitive to changes in the state of tone of intrinsic muscles intimate to facet joints. Any attempt to move a facet joint which has a protective hypertonic load ( of muscle) will be met with resistance and pain. Pain can be of differing intensities, feel and irritability. ( by irritability I refer to the prospect that any attempt to move joints in a highly irritated state may be followed by pain not associated with passive or active movements, initiated by that attempt to mobilise)
    By this sensitivity it will be noted that as passive movements are attempted and continued, a changing picture of pain and resistance emerges.
    Movement is applied in a natural direction predicted by the angles of therapists hand and arm, where he/she stands at the side of the patient nearest to the joint being mobilised.
    Pressure is sufficient only to acknowledge both pain and resistance at the joint. Continuous movements then at a rate of 2 per second are provided such that both these variables are able to be monitored. At or around 30 seconds of continuous mobs there will be noted the first level of alteration to both variables. That is , pain will be felt to reduce at the same time as muscular tension providing resistance reduces. Further attention to the same joint will produce still more reductions till A. either no further improvements are noted, or B. a full pain free resistance free condition is established.
    The effect of successful mobilisation will be noted in several ways.
    Active and passive facet ROM will be improved. This will be associated with improvements to comfort locally as well as distaly. It will be noted that as these local improvements are appreciated , so will the prospect of a reduction in distal pain and dysfunction associated with the spinal segmental innervation of those related structures.
    The improvements to facet mobility are essentially permanent. That is, provided that there are no severe local irritations given by pathology or injury, protective responses leading to facet hypomobility and inflammatory events of joint and nerves are restored to normal. Inflammatory events associated with these states of hypomobility are usually dissipated over a 24 hour post treatment period. Some liklihood of a post treatment painfull facet joint period exists. This can be viewed as an unfortunate feature of this form of treatment , but not a contraindication for it's use. In my experience about 20 percent of individuals will experiece a post Rx period of tenderness, which last pproximately 24 hrs. Usually noted is a highly irritated facet joint, or group of joints prior to Rx, in this group.
    Summary
    Continuous facet joint mobs is NOT
    forcefull
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    contraindicated by the presence of age or disease related arthropathies, "instability", or previous injury .
    Continuous facet joint mobs DOES NOT require
    Exquisite attention to detail in the placement of your thumbs- at or over the lateral mass , as near as able to the facet joint will be fine. Provided that , the two basic criteria are met, that is resistance and pain.
    Periods of five minutes of continuous mobs are commonly associated with continued improvements to some facet joints as above, longer periods are usefull also , though strain the limits of the thumb comfort of those new to the method. Practice will lengthen considerably the time able to comfortably mobilise. A lot of pressure is rarely more useful than less, pain and resistance is the key.
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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    hey guys i've recently started my practice wherein i have a Wikipedia reference-linkfrozen shoulder case which is responding at a slow pace with passive range coming in flexion ,abduction and ext rotation coming in 3 weeks.now the problem lies is the still lower range in external rotation with elbow in 90 deg flxn at the side of body.and also the movement pattern for external rotation starts with arm going into slight abduction first.im giving grade 2 glides with strengthning of shoulder girdle till 90 degrees of flexion.please help in improvement for the range and strength.thank you.also the active range is coming till 80 degrees in flexion and 70in abduction.any guidance will be appreciated.the pt had a fracture greater tuberosity humerus 3 months back.


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    Re: Frozen Shoulder

    For those who have dealt with/ or had Wikipedia reference-linkFrozen shoulders have you also found there has been some notable stressful event in the patients/ your life within 3 months of onset?

    Cheers,

    SPPAWA



 
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