New research: No such thing as "stuck" SI joint

[alophysio]

Hi,

There is such a thing as a stuck SIJ, neuromuscular just hasn't seen one.

The point is that on certain tests which claim to be a stuck SIJ, it isn't - neuromuscular and i agree on this.

However that doesn't mean that there is no such thing as a stuck SIJ - that would be a logical error to conclude this from comparing one erroneous test to another.

However as discussed, it may be taught that the SIJ is stuck if a positive Stork Test is found. I disagree but i have made that clear.

An open discussion amongst anonymous people can still result in quoting the sources of your ideas.

Doing Hip ABD is NOT NEW. I have been doing it for years. you see, you take the principle of a test and you apply it to movements. Sagittal, Coronal and Transverse planes - and a combination of all 3 - that is after all the world we live in.

Perhaps you mean that you haven't found research done on coronal movement - this may be true. However the concept is not new.

Neuromuscular - in all seriousness and kindness, the APAS test has flaws which would not survive rigorous testing and come to the same conclusions as you have. You cannot claim the muscles are holding positions from this test alone. That is the problem i have with it.

I invite all people to try your test and see for themselves Neuromuscular - i haven't said it is a waste of time to try. I have said that it has done nothing for my clinical practice...and Roycar has said the same. I wonder who else has as well...

Have you tried the Stork test the way i have asked you to?
Additional Comment I forgot:
Also, if you don't like to know where other people get their information or reference where ideas and concepts have already been published, you mustn't be interested in what is actually out there...

...therefore you have an agenda...

If you want an informed discussion, read the material, do research and discuss the ideas.

A discussion is a two way street. Read the posts above - does it sound like you understand what i have asked you to do?

You ask us to try your APAS test and i have.

I have asked you to list the Google search terms or Pubmed search terms you have used and you haven't listed them yet - why? I can only presume that you haven't looked.

Therefore your agenda is to

1. Put forward an idea without background
2. Put forward an idea and hope people give you the background (which i have done a lot of)
3. Don't care about the past or what is out there and push on ahead with your ideas...

Therefore, i have a problem with your assertions which are uneducated, unresearched and incorrect.

Thanks

[neuromuscular]

Dear Alophysio:

You have been on the offensive from the start by inferring negative in your first post.

I have tolerated this by giving you the benefit of the doubt.

However, you have shown that you have not listened to things which I have said.

I put forth the comparison of the SIJ test (Gillett or swing phase) to the SIJ with hip ABD from the start. You either suffer from dementia or chose to ignore what has been said. You stated that this was a new test later in the discussion. That I had changed my logic to your credit. I had put it forth from the start. Read the first post on the thread.

You started by inferring things and continue to do so.

I have read Diane Lee and communicated with her. I have talked to Andry Vleeming on the phone. I have talked to Ola Grimsby and Jim Revard on the phone also. I have talked to several professors at several universities.

One professor reminds me of you. I had a patient come down to show the assessment and techniques. The professor delayed until the patient had to leave. A group of students were in the room and followed as I did the assessment and therapy. One student approached me after to ask if I would consider doing her as in the three years of training, she had not gotten any relief. I did the assessment and therapy. She had considerable relief. During this the professor arrived. I showed the assessment on the student and the therapy. There was more improvement. The only comment by the professor was: "How long will it last?" So I had the student do several activites such as squats, bends, sit down and get up, etc., etc. The therapy held through all of the activities. The professor simply said: "Yes, but how long will it last?" The standard therapy had done nothing for the condition, but all the professor could think of as an excuse was: "how long will it last?"

You stated that you gave it an honest try. How come then you did not even try it until I insisted several times and only after many, many, many weeks? Is this evidence of a great open mind? Further, you dismissed it without any thinking of the differences of results may be in the ergonomics of driving on the left vs driving on the right. It was an open and shut case to you. That is great openess of mind! There could be other ergonomic factors. Truly "considering something" is different.

You qoute everyone of note - why? Do you not think others can read. I have read many things. When I bring up the fact that there are many gapping holes in the theory that further research is admittedly needed you dismiss it as cherry picking? Who is cherry picking? The one who qoutes others as verbatim truth or the one who sees the flaws in the theory?

Why do you not start your own thread on " The joy of SIJ testing" Or "All you ever wanted to know about SIJ testing but were afraid to ask" Or "The SIJ testing expert is in"

I would appreciate you leaving this discussion. Not because I feel intimidated by your inferences and inuendos, but because I am simply tired of you not truly considering what has been stated and put forth. You can put forth all of the "peer review" you wish as if you are the most informed person on the planet earth. You can quote Biblical passages as if you have God's backing. You have said that "you can attract more bees with honey than gaul". Yet, you dispense gaul freely along with inferences and inuendos. I suggest "Practice what you preach."

You have stated that you would charge me $280.00 dollars per hour. I would charge $2500.00 per hour plus penalties for every close minded remark.

Further, if I was in a class of yours, I would transfer to another university.

Think about it.

Neuromuscular