thanks again for your response. I am a powerlifter so I endeavour to keep muscle in the upper body. Exactly I am a non-medical person but I've seen that enought people have been put into a Don Joy brace after doing a quad tear instead of a brace, so I will ask tomorrow just in case, trouble is here in the UK were have the NHS and they'll go for the cheapest option so I might have to go private to get the required treatment. thanks