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    Inflammation: Good or bad?

    In my quest to heal my recalcitrant Wikipedia reference-linktennis elbow, I've run across many sources repeating the standard treatment for inflammation: rest, ice, anti-inflammatories.

    And then there are recent sources saying that inflammation is good and the body's way of healing injured soft tissue, and to avoid anti-inflammatories and use heat instead of ice.

    When I have taken Advil and used ice, I felt no improvement.

    I mentioned this to a Vet friend of mine who explained that some inflammation is healing, but chronic inflammation causes scarring.

    What is the truth? Does anyone know? The more I read, the more I think that soft-tissue injury is still very much misunderstood, and wonder if there's a definitive, proven answer.


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    dear Rider Jen

    Wikipedia reference-linkTennis Elbow is more degenerative than inflammatory, im not surprised ice is not working as there is very little inflammation going on there...you need a change of lifestyle to avoid irritating the tendon...

    cheers


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    Thank you, Dr. Damien. See, this is my point. Most medical resources I've found on-line recite the "ice and Wikipedia reference-linkanti-inflammatory medication" treatment.


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    Inflammation in tissue is generally a cascade of process by which the body heal itself after an injury.At acute stage ,the tissue start to repair itself and this could be sucessful if the environment aroumd the the injured tissue is conducive.A frequent reinjuiry when the tissue is undergoing healing results in fibrous tissue and chronic pain ensue as we have in the case of Wikipedia reference-linktennis elbow.Over time ice application alone would not work.
    Chronic injuiry repond well to heat atimes:it is believed,heat could trigger fresh inflammation and help the tissue to heal itself.
    Clinically speaking inflammation is not bad.In fact,it is a way of body attending to it own problem at a critical time.
    To butress Dr damien good point,a change of life style would drammatical reduce your pain.shall come back soon.yelufem.


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    Thank you both.

    By "change of lifestyle", do you mean stop the activities that cause pain until the elbow heals?

    Or, my elbow may never be the same again, so kiss those activities bye-bye forever?


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    They mean, change activities until the pain is gone, then slowly return to light activities as tolerated. Further progress back to normal duties / activities as long as they remain pain free. Look at the aggravating activities and try to modify them to decrease the load on your tendon insertion. I.e. get an ergonomic assessment @ work etc. what activity causes you dramas?

    What started the Wikipedia reference-linktennis elbow? If it is a sport, possibly try looking at your training / competitive schedule and modify it to allow greater time between the most stressful events / parts of the sport. Besically as per many soft tissue injuries, we want you to return to normal function as that will promote normal mechanics and decrease secondary changes (i.e. permanant scarring in the tendon in this case).

    Regards,
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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    HI RJ

    Having trained in Chinese acupuncture, the application of Cold is seen to restrict the flow of that which is needed to promote healing, in their terms "Qi and Blood". The normal treatment method is to improve local flow using heat (either Moxa or heat lamps) and needles, probably with electro-stimulation. Ice may be useful in the acute and sub-acute stages, but chronic injury seems to respond better to heat. Injuries such as TE are seen as "Overwork" which tends to cause a local "deficit" of Qi and Blood, leading to "Stagnation" that causes pain and inflammation, so stimulating the area would be the normal approach, depending on the type and age of the person involved. It's a fuzzy kind of logic, but certainly one that is based in years of continuous observation and refining.

    I'n my clinic, I'd probably use a combination of heat, massage, needles and electro, and expect to see a positive result in around 6-8 treatments


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    I agree that ice in acute and sub-acute stages, and heat in chronic is helpful for most people. But to be clear for the questioner, prior to returning to the activities that caused the TE in the first place, you want to be sure that elasticity has returned to the tissues, which means having some appropriate stretching exercises to do on a regular basis, and some strengthening exercises of the muscles which have no doubt lost some strength after months of inflammation. If you are being followed by a Physio, presumably these techniques have been suggested. If you aren't then I strongly suggest you consult a Physio for a home program of strategies to get you past this.


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    Thank you for your comments; I'll address each topic in a separate paragraph:

    CHANGE OF LIFESTYLE:
    Aside from my full-time job, my lifestyle activities (prior to onset of this problem) primarily involved cycling and gardening, amateur photography (using a DSLR), baking/cooking, and knitting. I also enjoy (er, enjoyed) fitness walking and trips to the gym to work out on the spin bikes, eliptical machine and/or treadmill, along with some of the arm and leg machines (NO barbells). I took rest days --- I'm NOT an exercise/activity fanatic, just try to have some exercise most days of the week. I haven't ridden my bike since last December when my doctor restricted me from riding, gardening, and every other fun activity that might cause pain in my shoulder (until February, I was getting PT for Wikipedia reference-linkrotator cuff tendinosis/tears). I also stopped gardening and knitting and rarely took pictures of the garden since the garden was going to pot anyway. After months away from our cycling group (a MAJOR source of social activity and sunlight) and gardening, I was starting to feel depressed. Desperate, I started doing some "light" gardening, taking care to use good body mechanics, wear my elbow band, and use my left hand whenever possible. I've also been taking some garden pictures which I share and keep to record progress -- a hobby that brings me great pleasure. I stopped baking and knitting because they aggravate my shoulder and elbow -- but, so does taking pictures and gardening. Meanwhile, I caught a bad cold in late March, then Shingles in early April; sick for 5 weeks, I didn't do any exercise which led me further down the slippery slope of mental depression. I'm recovered from those now, but there are other signs of a weakened immune system. I have ALWAYS been a very healthy person and wasn't often sick. I had an ergonomic evalauation of my workspace, which seems to be fine (I also sit in an ergonomic chair which I love).

    ONSET/TREATMENT
    The Wikipedia reference-linktennis elbow pain began in early January while I was under the care of a physiotherapist and sports orthopedic surgeon for the treatment of rotator cuff tendinosis/tears. Shoulder PT began last November, and the pain only worsened each week while I obediently and religiously followed their instructions to the letter doing the exercises and stretches at the PT appts. and at home. They finally decided that PT wasn't really helping my shoudler and that things looked very likely I'd need surgery, so we stopped shoulder exercises until my next doctor appointment in mid-Feb. Meanwhile, the tennis elbow pain began in early January and by mid-February was much more painful than my shoulder; my doctor wanted to focus on healing the elbow before resuming treatment of the shoulder, so he sent me back to PT for new stretches/exercises as well as ultrasound, massage, and and the elbow band --- however, like the shoulder, the elbow continued to worsen. Perplexed, my doctor (a very reputable sports orthopedist who specializes in elbow/shoulder injury) ordered an Wikipedia reference-linkMRI which I had to postpone 2x due to Shingles, and seemed ready to advise that the next step is surgery (he is not a proponent of cortisone shots and didn't seem to think it would help in my case). I stopped seeing the PT until the MRI to determine how to proceed, and the MRI is still pending while I decide what to do next.

    ACUPUNCTURE
    Funny you should mention that --- a member of our bike group asked if I've tried acupuncture. What do I look for in a good acupuncturist to treat tennis elbow?

    OTHER
    I am doing some stretching and mild strengthening exercises at home, using the book "Fixing You: Elbow and Shoulder Pain" (by Rick Olderman), to keep my shoulder flexible and improve scapular strength. I do them with care, following his instructions, to stay within the boundaries of pain. Pain has not improved (yet) but my shoulder ROM seems excellent. This Friday, I have an appointment to consult with a DO who performs Prolotherapy treatments. She is highly trained in the field. On the first visit, she will spend an hour assessing me which will include an ultrasound test of my elbow; if I qualify for Prolotherapy, she can do a treatment on that day. I need to get verification that my insurance will help pay for Prolotherapy; if not, I may seek another type of treatment.

    Am I frustrated? Very much so. Every physical activity that I enjoy causes pain, including walking (due to the natural arm-swinging motion... nothing vigorous, just the natural movement causes intense pain in my elbow). One activity that also causes a lot of pain is getting ready for work in the morning --- it's impossible to put on make-up and style my hair with one hand. I vanpool to save gas $$$$$$$ and to also avoid stress on my elbow while driving (my car has a manual transmission); the van leaves at 5:35 AM, so my morning routine is rushed starting when I hurl myself out of bed after a poor night's sleep. By the time I'm on the van, my elbow is a wreck and doesn't settle down until a few hours later. So, I could say that the activity that causes the MOST pain is getting ready for work, but that's one activity I cannot curtail. :-(


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    Re: Inflammation: Good or bad?

    Hey again Jen,

    Your history sounds quite depressing, I hope things start to turn around. I would definately suggest getting the Wikipedia reference-linkMRI. I would also query the diagnosis some more. Wikipedia reference-linkTennis elbow can sometimes be misdiagnosed, it stirs my curiosity in that your elbow aggravated following your shoulder rehab. Generally, the acvitiy in the upper limb on a whole is decreased while suffering with a primary injury up the kinetic chain. Sure, you may have been altering your activity in a way that caused overactivity of your wrist extensors ... but I would ask the specialist about things such as.. radial tunnel syndrome and possible neural impingement in the shoulder following the RC injuries causing referral? Clutching at straws, but it sounds as if you are doing everything right with no change in symptoms.

    It would be quite amazing however for multiple physio / specialists to misdiagnose such a well known injury though.. :S? You could try a wrist splint to completely offload the wrist extensors for a period, especially at night? Just throwing ideas out there.

    Chin up though, surgery has good success rates where conservative management has failed (this will likely be the next course of action following the MRI). Has the Dr. tried corticosteroid injections? Also another good idea before surgery...



 
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