Are there many Physiotherapists in the UK

[JAW]

...who are interested in moving in to the private sector straight from University?
Recently my practice has taken on a new graduate and we are developing a professional development business support and mentoring programme. So I thought if I am doing this for one new graduate, why not do it for more, as a formal Programme.
So I am posting this to elicit some feedback on whether new UK HPC Registered graduates are choosing to go in to the private sector, and whether they would like to have some support in starting off ?
I have put an advert on the courses section, but this is by way of a query to establish interest

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[oscar]

Hey,

Yup, I would be interested! I'm still studying though I don't finish until November.

I think there would be quite a bit of interest for this, I know a lot of people are not actually that interested in doing NHS work and would like to do private work, but they feel that they need to do thier NHS stint first....probably more than you think!

[lou]

With the job situation at the moment for graduates, there has to be more options than becoming a junior in the NHS and having to do rotations. As a student who already knows what area I want to work in, I feel opportunities to work in the private sector would be more beneficial then working in areas where I have less interest and strengths.

[JAW]

Hey guys that's great, just a small point Lou did you know that student Physio's do about 250 hours musculo skeletal out patients whereas a student osteopath does around 1300 clinical practice hours with much the same conditions, and from the information I have been given chiropractors do EVEN more, they have to do a full year of work with a private chiro and about 500 new clients consultations. Dont forget hospital rotations are where all your orthopaedic experience comes from...... and neuro...... so rotations are the foundation of great experience and invaluable. I did 7 years full time NHS before I started a private practice and it was hugely worthwhile.... however mail me if you want to get involved

[physiobob]

The major issue is still BUPA. They won't cover outpatient work from a PT with less than 5 years post grad experience. It is funny though that they do permit this in their own hospitals, but still not from a new grad. It seems weird they think PT's can work fine in inpatient settings and feel that have adequate knowledge on that side of things yet they feel in someway they are not ready for the outpatient setting.

The sooner the legal authorities get onto this restriction of trade the better. I seem to be one of the few yelling about it!

[JAW]

However, it's actually the same for Hypnotherapists and many others. 5 years is the BUPA suggestion. Surely if BUPA are using under 5 year grad Physios in their hospitals then they must be in breach of something? After all what would AXA say if a client of their was treated by a non registered ?

[physiobob]

Exactly, BUPA are breaking the law! But the CSP and even the OCPPP don't seem to be doing anything about it!

[JAW]

Is it the law though?
If BUPA set the rules as to who can be on their lists, then do they guarantee that their hospitals are staffed by post 5 years qualified therapists?
The lists most of us are on is a independent list, as is the list owned by AXA.
What I find more concerning is the way AXA are buying up insurance companies left right and centre. Frankly I think the only way foreword is by collaborating and joining together. OCPPP have other agendas, I resigned as regional rep about 18 months back and will discuss with anyone what I consider to be going on... in private.. in confidence...
CSP ?
Well comon we know that too many years of Trade Union representation, and NHS focus means that they have no leverage in the corporate sector. They are STILL bleating on about NHS jobs when the NHS as we know it............. is finished.

[physiobob]

It is unlawful as they are restricting the way in which we trade and in which the way the private sector can employ. Much of this is in light of the fact that although they are a private company, they have built their business and act in a public way to assist the gov reduce stress on the NHS. Hence they are not treated as totally private.

You cannot base an employment opportunity on years post grad. This is absolutely unlawful and this came into effect at the end of 2006. You can do this on experience however BUPA hav not governing document that says why they have chosen 5 years. They just picked it to stem the flow of private outpatient treatment. As far as they are conferned you could have been on a 5 year backpacking holiday and still be able to be on their list. But to be working solidly for 4.5 yrs you cannot. This too is unlawful.

On a regulatory sidoe of things it should be the CSP and HPC and only the CSP and HPC who decide who is qualified to work in private practice, not the likes of BUPA and AXA PPP. By why are the CSP, HPC and OCPPP doing nothing about it Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr