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    Re: Is this a hernia

    Well described problem, thank for the clarity with which you osed the question. since around 2004 the issues of contralateral nerve damage after a unilateral insult to a nerve has been demontrated in the research literature. It is much more common than one would think to hae symptoms start on one side of the body and in time to develop mirror/contralateral signs and symptoms and even degeneration of axons! Perhaps this should be considered as somewhat preliminary, albeit of significant interest, and certainly matches anecdotal "evidence". The unanswered question, after correcting the primary problem does one get some regeeneration on the opposite side? Do contralateral signs and symptoms reduce or go after addressing the original problem, I believe that they do reduce.
    You definetely must get cleared by a hernia specialist and I sugest both the standing screen and the supine screen and screen for the more rare "non-hernia" tear of abdominal tendons, which occurs above or below the inguinal canal, whereas the typical inguinal hernia occurs within the canal. Also get screen for less common femoral and obturator. All of the proximal innervation can cause confusing pain referral, so one must screen the entire region, especially in chronic cases such as yours.
    You certainly could have a traumatic (or other insult such as viral) neuropathy but would also consider the ilioinguinal and iliohypogastric, lesser considerations the accessory obturator and femoral portion of genitofemoral. I developed an intra-inguinal sensory evaluation and published it in a brief letter to the editor in J Manual & manip ther. I am happy to speak with you, my email is [email protected]
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    Re: Is this a hernia

    Did you assess pelvis position (ilium anterior, posterior, upslip....)?


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    Re: Is this a hernia

    In terms of evaluating pelvic structural dysfunction, the most common pattern that adds additional stress to the aformentioned nerves is a pattern I have described as pelvic side-glide (distinctly different from a "lateral shift"). It can be subtle enough to be missed upon visual examination, so one needs to do a passive test, taking up the slack and the imparting a passive force. Most common is a lack of side glide going left to right. You push with open palms directly on the lateral pelvis with client supine. Treatment is sidelying with pillows under the lateral pelvis with the restricted direction on top.
    In spite of the above, in spite of descriptions of SI dysfunction (and pelvic biomechanical dysfunction) having a correlate with aforementioned symptoms, once they are more than mild, the likelyhood of the symptoms being provoked by SI/pelvis is very small indeed. Much more likely is the co-existense of both problems.
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    Re: Is this a hernia

    i have had my pelvis assesed by many people and although being told it was 'twisted' and subsequently corrected by an osteopath the underlying condition remains.

    For me the fact that apart from the pain on sitting in the hamstring attachment area, which from research seems to be a common complain of occult type hernias, tells me this could be a hernia is the fact that in certain positions the left inguinal area goes numb. In my mind surely that means something is pressing on it with enough 'force' that surely is more than misaligned structures.

    I have a feeling i will never know for sure until i accept to go under the knife, although if that then reveals nothing structually wrong then that would have been a very bad move!

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    Corrected pelvic twist may be true, but there is a much greater complexity to pelvic and seperately; SI joint mechanics than is described in the ancient Osteopathic paradigm, but I will not elaborate here.
    There could be several factors in play here and a very thorough eval is in order-the kind that are hands-on and take about an hour and a half.
    I still would argue that a biomechanical problem enhanced by certain positions could in fact reduce blood flow to the aforementioned nerves, enhancing the pre-exisitng peripheral neuropathy. A competent surgeon can do an eval and discern if you have a typical or an atypical hernia or a peripheral neuropathy. Going under the knife should be preceded by proper diagnosis.
    Unfortunately symptoms such as hamstring tendon painin sitting also correlates with other problems.
    Has anyone done a thorough sensory evaluation including provocation of agormentioned nerve? An internal inguianl sensory evaluation as I have described elsewhere?
    I cannot post much more but would be happy to spedak directly with you. I developed the test I describe, self-diagnosed and then got the proper treatment very successful, NOT a hernia.
    Best of luck, I do know emirically (31 years) what you areexperienceing.
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    Re: Is this a hernia

    burning sensation in inguinal area, on stretch a pop, sitting upright aggravates, Wikipedia reference-linkMRI scan area clean, Wikipedia reference-linkfacet joint injections no results. Hernia results so far negative. This what I understand to be the facts.
    Why did you let the facet joints be injected?
    injections for nerve blocks so far no results? What made you think this was the cause?
    I would like to know; History of back problems? now or prior to first symptoms? Do other things aside of sitting upright aggravate the symptoms? Has your hip been checked? Has anyone suggested a bursitis? Or an active triggerpoint? Or a labrial tear?
    I need to know more before I can speculate on your problem.



 
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