irish registration

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"Physical therapists are not the same as Physiotherapists in Ireland" - one could and would argue that being members of the World Confederation of Physical Therapy means that Chartered Physiotherapists are Physical Therapists regardless of government protection of title. It would be more correct that those whose qualifications are not recognised by the ISCP are not physiotherapists or physical therapists. That is why I tend to put "physical therapists" in comas. But perhaps a moot point.


"I would imagine that there are instances of the above but with over 3500 physiotherapists in Ireland this is an exception and not the rule. "

I didn't disagree with any specific instances. I simply stated that this is an exception and not a rule. Whether or not that happened, which I don't disagree has, has nothing to do with the topic of conversation here which is Irish registration.

Furthermore, unless you are a clinical specialist on level 3 Australian Institute of Sport course then I cannot see how you would come by this information. I sincerely doubt that there is an epidemic in the country that Irish physiotherapy graduates are working for "physical therapists" so much so that clinical specialists in Australia are commenting on it, half a world away. And seeing as I am a graduate, I feel that I am in a good position to know this. Also, why would Irish graduates be going for Level 3 courses, surely they would be best suited in Level 1 courses.

If you spent less time worrying about "physical therapists" and more time into informing the public of the benefits of physiotherapy and the role of physiotherapy we would be much better off. More to the point, I'm sure the Graduate Working Party and the Protection of Title Working Party within the ISCP would be more than happy to have you on board with your enthusiasm on the subject instead of being on forums giving out. There number is 01 - 4022148.
Additional Comment I forgot:
"Look a senior Lecturer in Ireland/limerick has been made apoligise/ grovel in inthernationl journel of physiotherapy in Australia and Ireland in 2008 because he advertised a course on motor control and lied that Prof Peter O Sullivan from Curtin Uni (which has strong links with Trinity in dublin /and not forgeting manual concepts, tony and kim!!) was going to be there. Peter did not even know about this and there was uproar in the CPD groups about this. This lecturer had already taken money/ thousands of hard working physios money in ireland and has been reprimanded by the ISCP. "

And could you qualify this please. What journal? How do you know he was reprimanded by the ISCP? The professional procedures committee is a confidential forum and as far as I am aware, there is nothing specifically that he may or may not have done to contrary the Rules oF Professional Conduct. Furthermore, I would suggest that you are careful with any slanderous talk. If it is the same person that I am thinking of s/he has giving many years of service to the physio profession and the ISCP and should not be spoken of in the way that you are suggesting.
Thank you.

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In Australia here discussions are very, very open and to the point. The ISCP are aware of what happen to the named professor below as was all of the APA when the apology was made in our journal as well. The discussion has arose of the training under physical therapsist as we are definitly not the same. The experienced state registered chartered physiotherapists are having problems with thoses trained under physical therapists and this is being discussed more and more at courses and conferences since the high influx of northern hemisphere physios since 2006 when there were lack of graduatee jobs. We understand quite a lot about the irish physio scene as many fellow Australians lecture and travel for conferences as well as many Irish chartered physiotherapists completing their masters over here are voicieng their concerns on the influence of physical therapists

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"In Australia here discussions are very, very open and to the point."
- does that mean all Australians or specifically physiotherapists. Does include al conversations or just physio specific ones. I think that is a ridiculous point. Again, you suggest that Clinical Specialist on Level 3 Institute of Sport have issue with Irish graduates. How are you privvy to this information (apart from your very frank and open Australian conversations).

All members of the World Confedeartion of Physical Therapy are Physical Therapists. The APA and ISCP are members therefore use the title physiotherapist, chartered physiotherapist and physical therapist interchangeably. I see from your handle that you have a British flag. If you have registered with the HPC your card will read Physiotherapist/Physical Therapist.

Again, I refute the fact that there is an epidemic of Irish physio gradutes working under physical therapists. You have no proof only unfounded anecdotal evidence (I presume from these frank and open Australian discussions).

"The ISCP are aware of what happen to the named professor below as was all of the APA when the apology was made in our journal as well." again, I'll make the point that whether or not the ISCP is aware of what has happened has nothing to do with them. The ISCP are not a compulsory body to join nor are they regulators of physiotherapists in Ireland. Rather, they have 'Rules of Professional Conduct' which memebrs abide to agree by and if they have been broken they will be reprimanded, in a confidential fashion, by the Professional Procedures Committee - none of which you would be privvy to. Furthermore, I have asked you to quantify your suggestion and as yet, you have not offered the journal article.

Might I add, we're flogging a dead horse here and this thread is also not the appropriate place to do it. I'm happy to let you have the last (open and frank Australian) word. My reply will be the exact same as it has been in my previous three posts.


Thank you