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    Re: PNF in hemiplegic gait

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    These methods are therefore often described as belonging to the reflex-hierarchical model of motor control. This model arose from the foundations neurophysiology the beginning of the 20th century. While some of this was good science for the time, the model is a highly impoverished model of neuroscience; full over oversimplifications and conjecture about the relative importance of these phenomena.

    There are some really big problems with these techniques which has a lot to do with the outdate nature of the reflex hierarchical model of motor control.

    Limited understanding of how the nervous system, movement and motor learning works.
    The problem with the using techniques from this model is that our understanding of motor control and motor learning has become so much more developed. Our understanding of biomechanics, motor learning theory and research, motor control, psychology of motivation, neuroscience particularly neuroplasticity has taken us a long way from these very simplistic notions of how the nervous system work and how we learn and relearn movement. For example the various uses of PNF provide a very poor examples of motor learning.
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    I have taken (hopefully not out of context) a quote from gcoe. What surprises me, maybe I misunderstand gcoe, that simply because the theory behind the system is outdated, PNF seems to be outdated. How come? Wouldn't it be better to see if a system works and if it works to proclaim (in case PNF does work) that the theory behind it is outdated but that PNF does work. I am not sure but I feel this sort of assault could be on every principle within physiotherapy treatment. e.g. Wikipedia reference-linkBobath, spinal manipulation and so on. In stead of looking if there is some practical use for these treatment systems should we be blinded by the theory behind it which seems to be outdated? I am wondering...
    I assume you, gcoe have done PNF courses and found them completely a waste of time and have come therefor to your statement. So it is not entirely based on theory (which will most likely be outdated next year).


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    Re: PNF in hemiplegic gait

    Thank you for your response.

    You seem quite scornful of scientific theory. In my opinion physiotherapy is a health science. Sound theories don’t arise out of a vacuum but out of a need to better explain the results of experimental research. Theories don’t change with the wind. Occasionally they may start with a sudden insight, sweeping away what went before but more often theories evolve slowly. Changes don’t happen overnight. And theories do need to be updated as new research comes to light. I think this is a good thing. Far from making such theories unreliable keeping up to date with such theory can provide you with a much firmer foundation on which to base your clinical reasoning.

    quote: "Wouldn't it be better to see if a system works and if it works to proclaim (in case PNF does work) that the theory behind it is outdated but that PNF does work."

    In these days of evidence-based practice an intervention to be considered effective must meet two criteria:

    1. To start with it must have a sound biomedical basis. If there isn’t a sound basis that is rooted in such things as movement science then we are not even off to square one. It is quite possible for techniques that have no understood basis or a poor basis to be effective. But the likelihood that it will turn out to be effective is greatly decreased. Rather then shooting in the wind and hoping we might hit the target by some random chance, why not choose interventions that are more likely to hit the target based on good science. Having a sound basis for an intervention improves our ability to reason through the use of the intervention and how better apply the technique.

    2. It must be backed by sound research that provides evidence for its effectiveness. Now days we expect that interventions have a good track record with replicated randomised clinical trials, and hopefully we can someone has pooled these trials into a systematic review of the intervention. Anecdotal evidence provided by a physio is not an adequate standard for evidence that a technique works.

    My point here is that PNF fails on both these counts. Relying on a biomedical concept that dates back to the beginning of the 20th century and that has been hugely surpassed by an enormous amount of science is not a sound justification for evaluating a technique. PNF has some evidence for stretching in sports and orthopaedic settings but that is not why we are using it in neuro. We are interested in strengthening for improved function. There is also little evidence for employing the technique. I found two trials that examined PNF, both of poor quality (3-4/10 PEDro scale) One study supported its use and one study showed it was no better than other methods. This is not good evidence for PNF. 60 years after its appearance; I think we could have a bit more evidence than two weakly designed studies:

    PEDro - Selected Search Results

    Quote: “I am not sure but I feel this sort of assault could be on every principle within physiotherapy treatment. e.g. Wikipedia reference-linkBobath, spinal manipulation and so on”

    This is exactly right! I am not singling out PNF. For example Bobath comes in for exactly the same limitations as PNF. – except in the case of Bobath there is more evidence but the evidence discourages adopting it. As health science professionals we should be questioning what we do and we should be coming up with better interventions as our knowledge of what works gets better.

    A few years ago there was not that much evidence for neurological physiotherapy. That has now changed and it is getting better.

    Strengthening techniques such as FES, biofeedback, progressive resistance training, component practice in walking, to a limited extent body weight support treadmill training, distributed practice and summated feedback on gait are just to name some techniques for improving gait.

    Likewise our scientific understanding of what we are doing has greatly improved. So rather than getting stuck on techniques with little scientific merit why not make use of what is out there.


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    Re: PNF in hemiplegic gait

    I don't think you get my point at all. I am just saying that an outdated theory does not allow you to say that a treatment is rubbish. To my opinion that is foolish. To find 2 researches on PEDRO which are obvious below parr does not even make the point (it does just tell us that research is needed which is upto scratch!).
    Furthermore to assume that the way research is done at the moment is the state of art is pure arrogance and does not allow us to reflect and to improve.
    As Esterderu points out patient involvement was greater in the PNF group, which will effect the emotional state of mind e.g increase amount of endorfines which will effect the aptients well being and thus promote recovery e.g. effect on the cerebellum.
    Scornful of scientific science? No just sceptic which is actualy a scientific way of outlook.
    Until several years ago it was assumed recovery after a stroke was lets say 90% first 3 months after a stroke. We know now that actually nerve cells can recover, can be renewed (we still have no clue how I suppose) but unfortunately our healthcare and thus our science is still in the middle age thinking we put an effort in 1st 3 months. So actually the research might outdated...I suppose


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    Re: PNF in hemiplegic gait

    dear both,

    I would very much like to take part of this discussion but I am on holidays at the moment, I just couldn't resist reacting.
    Will get back to you both on this subject in a few weeks time.

    One thing is for sure....
    Most physiotherapists had their PNF education during their PT training. How many have done the official PNF courses I do not know. All of the therapists I have met, in various countries, had never been to one of the official PNF courses and were just doing what they had been taught at the time. And to make matters worse, NON of all these people had ever even heard of the trunk patterns.

    I do know that very few people are members of the IPNFA and that you can only become a member after having followed the standard training.
    I will see if I can get one of the other IPNFA members(instructors) to react as well.

    kind regards

    Esther



 
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