At the moment the Hospital physios are standing firm saying until I have full ROM they will not allow me to progress to the next stage. On that note I'm just doing lots of strtch exercises; basically extensions and flexion exercises with some single leg dips to work my VMO and quads. The Services' physio is going after the massage and manipulation approach, just taking it to tightness and adding alittle more pressure each time. I would of course, be grateful for any further suggestions you might offer. That would be suggestions other than chasing around after my little girl that is! Thanks for all the help. ParamedicJim.